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Post by expresslink on Mar 27, 2013 16:35:12 GMT -5
Since when has an honest observation amounted to "carping"?
Given the amount of rain in recent months I guess that there is bound to be some movement and having regard to the nature of the material settlement. Any Civil Engineers like to comment further?
The Bluebell have done an amazing job and I am sure all on this and other Boards wish them well but that is no reason not to pose honest questions or are we only allowed to watch the trains in silence?
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Post by Railway Trains on Mar 28, 2013 17:04:36 GMT -5
I am not carping, merely making my views known. Everybody is entitled to their views and I think the side of the cutting bears keeping an eye on - there has already been a fall for Heaven's sake, and the line hasn't been open for a week yet!
The fall is not huge - perhaps a lorry load - so should be able to be patched up without difficulty. I am thinking of the early days of the London to Brighton line where there were so many falls they eventually had to build a half mile long wall! In fact a concrete wall was mentioned as a possibility at the Bluebell AGM.
Postings that are just personal attacks will not be accepted on this list. Make a comment, disagree or even agreeing with another member is absolutely fine.
Just posting to criticise another member because he does not agree with you will not.
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Post by Mark2 on Mar 31, 2013 10:50:24 GMT -5
What fall would that be? Maybe just the bit where the access to the bridge just had too much clay in it, which got washed down slightly by the rain a couple of weeks ago. Nothing to do with the stability of the cutting sides. But as the press say, never let facts get in the way of a good story! :-)
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Post by Mark [Bluebell Shareholder] on Mar 31, 2013 14:09:07 GMT -5
Mark2 ;D Still being shy there... Come on and join the message board fully, instead of making these guest appearances. Yes Mark2, having read Robert Philpot’s posting; “Tuesday 26th March, 10 a.m., bitterly cold wind! Just one picture today to advise about our two new videos showing a non-stop trip through Kingscote, then the cutting and on to East Grinstead and another showing the journey back again. It took just 57 seconds to go between the two bridges of the cutting! Whilst viewing take a look at the bottom of the western side of the cutting which is noticeably bulging in places (easier to see "in the flesh") and has actually fallen in one area. Does this bode well for the future stability or will they need to spend money sorting the sides out? Time will tell.” You are entitled Mark2, to express an opinion and you do; "What fall would that be? Maybe just the bit where the access to the bridge just had too much clay in it, which got washed down slightly by the rain a couple of weeks ago. Nothing to do with the stability of the cutting sides. But as the press say, never let facts get in the way of a good story! ” Watching Robert Philpot's excellent video clip here; Bluebell Railway - Non-stop through Kingscote, Imberhorne cutting to East Grinstead www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MWWcQ8OcHI&feature=youtu.beWhen the train chugs up through the cutting at about 5:04 in Robert Philpot’s video clip, my opinion is that I can see some kind of fall in the distance. As we get closer, at 5;14 in Robert Philpot’s video clip, my opinion is that I can definitely see some kind of fall in the cutting. Now I could be wrong. Mark2, it is your opinion, that it is, “Nothing to do with the stability of the cutting sides.” So Mark2, you are entitled to your opinions and other people are entitled to their opinions. We'll see! On this video; The Final Push - progress on the Bluebell Railway's extension to East Grinstead - Feb 2013 www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA71h2XPplwSo Mark2, you are entitled to your opinions and other people are entitled to their opinions. We'll see! Look at the messages, Richard Mott has written another opinion; “I live near the WCML and, on occasion, a laden coal train lumbers by. It generates low frequency vibrations which reach my house half a mile away. Have you considered the seismic effect of a heavy locomotive and its train passing through the cutting? It is steep & deep; the west bank is piled high; the trackbed is formed on the rubbish. Resonant energy input levels can cause instability in unconsolidated material. Are you content all transits will be safe under all conditions at all times?” BluebellRail has replied with their opinion; “As Chris says, the safety verification includes sign-off by independent experts. The rubbish is well consolidated, having been there at least 35 years, and is pretty stable too, being a mix of plastic, metal and compost; not a homogenious material like soil, but something with significant structural stability due to the interlocking and irregular nature of its contents. We've taken a lot of professional advice on this, so are as confident as anyone can be that it will all be absolutely stable.” Opinions have been aired and so it will be a matter of time to see what happens and whose opinions are right. We all hope that Bluebell Railway have their figures correct. Anyway in conclusion Mark2, try not to be so shy and BE BRAVE enough to join the message board fully, instead of making these 'guest' appearances. You have different opinions, which are great and that provides stimulating discussion points.
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Post by Mark2 on Apr 3, 2013 6:18:09 GMT -5
Mark2, it is your opinion, that it is, “Nothing to do with the stability of the cutting sides.” So Mark2, you are entitled to your opinions and other people are entitled to their opinions. We'll see! This is not my assessment, but that of the Bluebell's independent advisors who have signed papers to confirm that in their expert opinions that the cutting is safe. Even safe cuttings occasionally have falls or slips. So carry on moaning and decrying the achievements of the Bluebell if you like. I've had enough of your negativism. It's so boring. Goodby.
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Post by Mark [Bluebell Shareholder] on Apr 3, 2013 10:22:27 GMT -5
Mark2, Thank you for making the guest appearances, that you have spent your own time, making here on this forum. There is no doubt that you have added a new angle to the 'debating style' during the discussions. It is such a shame that having contributed to the stimulation of the discussions, that you have 'imploded' and have gone off in a 'huff'. I hope in time, that you will reconsider your position. I always hoped Mark2, that you would join the 'Founders Club' of Railway Trains Forum. The Founder members, being those who joined and FULLY signed up in March 2013. ;D It is hoped, that you will reconsider your position. Chill out, have a holiday, perhaps give yourself a week going up and down the Bluebell Railway, to get your inspiration back. If you return, please DON'T BE SHY, be BRAVE and sign up fully when you have recharged yourself. ;D Best Wishes. Take care.
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Post by daistation on Apr 5, 2013 9:00:41 GMT -5
Having now travelled through the cutting I wonder how long it will take to look less like a rubbish tip or in places covered with thick plastic sheeting I cannot see nature taking over very quickly. But not to detract from a great achievment.
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Post by andy on Apr 5, 2013 10:11:29 GMT -5
I don't think we will see a great deal of growth this year, most of the east side was cleared of rubbish but whatever tries to grow on the west side will only have rubbish to take root in. Give it a few years and it will look great.
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Post by fred on Apr 7, 2013 2:42:29 GMT -5
Is there a proposal for a canopy at East Grinstead?
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Post by goldenwonder4 on Apr 9, 2013 11:52:52 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Railway Trains on Apr 9, 2013 16:22:26 GMT -5
We have been keeping an unofficial eye on the cutting during the Easter period and intend to restart photographic reports next week - w/c 15th April 2013. In our opinion it's a black "mess" at present and hope that some soil or seeds or even some green paint might be used. Probably not, but we will publish some photos once the service stops and hopefully the clear up starts! (Not really being serious about the paint - we'll see.)
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Post by matty on Apr 11, 2013 11:14:53 GMT -5
missed your photos robert hows the water tower getting on ? as i cant get to the railway again till may
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Post by goldenwonder4 on Apr 12, 2013 10:49:48 GMT -5
In our opinion it's a black "mess" at present and hope that some soil or seeds or even some green paint might be used. Probably not, but we will publish some photos once the service stops and hopefully the clear up starts! Hope that It's going to be seeded? Thats already out in the public domain that it will be..... "Hopefully" the clear up starts? Thats also a guaranteed part of the project....
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Post by biggles on Apr 13, 2013 17:22:19 GMT -5
I battled my way from Imberhorne bridge to Kingscote in1982.The distance of one mile took me over three hours as opposed to 25 minutes on the track trek.It was nothing short of a jungle.Mother nature will very quickly co-operate with us and green it over in no short time at all,trust her.
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Post by matty on Apr 17, 2013 3:35:01 GMT -5
welcome back to the photos great about all the ballast i think its looks great like that also much better to keep less lineside clearance of the gngs to to 2 miles is a long way to keep up with plus the rest of the line happy snapping robert
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